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How Abby and Her Littermates Got Their Hernias and Why It's No Big Deal

7/27/2022

 
Abby of Gold Shaw Farm
Three week old Abby lying on her back, with her littermates and mom, Marcella.
Once upon a time a lovely Maremma Sheepdog named Marcella had 8 lovely puppies, 4 girls and 4 boys. Marcella's owner also raises dairy goats and she had experienced a lot of problems with Navel Ill in her baby goats the year before. Navel Ill is a really horrible disease in which a baby animal contracts bacteria through its umbilical cord. This infection can travel through the baby animal's body, settling in its joints, causing crippling pain, high fever and even death. The only cure for navel ill is very strong antibiotics, pain medicines and anti-inflammatories, but even these medicines themselves can cause lasting damage to the baby. 

Now the way to prevent Navel Ill is by spraying the umbilical cord with a strong solution made for this purpose, as well as to ensure the babies get adequate colostrum. Of course Marcella's owner always took these steps but after still having multiple kids get sick she found she needed to be even more diligent, being sure each baby goat was sprayed multiple times over the first couple of days, until the cords dried up. She did this and was successful, and had no more cases of Navel Ill the following year.

The time came for Marcella to have her puppies and her owner, being worried about the puppies contracting Navel Ill, decided she would be extra diligent with them, too. Since Marcella is a Maremma all her puppies are white and as each new puppy was born it was often hard to tell which was the new puppy and which were born earlier. So each time that Marcella's owner checked on the puppies and found there were more than there had been earlier she simply sprayed all the puppies with navel dip.

Navel dip, if you don't know, is the stuff that prevents Navel Ill. It comes in a spray bottle and is bright orange and oily and very messy. When you spray it on a white, wet puppy it gets everywhere: all over the puppies, all over the mom, all over the bedding and all over Marcella's owner. It stains skin and fur and clothing, but that's ok, so long as the babies don't get sick. 

So as each puppy was born Marcella's owner sprayed all the puppies again, and sometimes she sprayed them in between, just for good measure. It was really silly now that she thinks about it, but at the time she was really worried about those puppies and it seemed like a really good idea. The puppies that were born first did really get a lot of orange staining because they were sprayed so many times, so much that it took several weeks to wear off, but it seemed like a good tradeoff. One little girl puppy, who would later be named Abby (But started out as Purple Girl, because she had purple paint on her fur to mark her. That's how Marcella's owner knows it was Abby.) was so covered in the stuff she looked like a white and orange puppy, instead of a white puppy.

What Marcella's owner didn't know was that every time she sprayed the puppies with the navel dip, Marcella, being the good mommy that she is, wanted to get that icky, smelly stuff off of her puppies. So she kept licking the puppies and her owner kept spraying them, over and over until all the puppies were born, at which point it looked like a pumpkin juice truck had exploded in the whelping box. But at least the puppies wouldn't get Navel Ill.

Unfortunately, what did happen was this. Some of the puppies, who were born earlier and had been sprayed and licked over and over, ended up with hernias, which are teeny little holes in their abdomens, where the umbilical cords were. What Marcella's owner didn't realize was that all that licking by Marcella caused damage to that delicate navel area, resulting in hernias in some of the puppies.

Luckily hernias are almost never dangerous to dogs. A dog is hundreds of times more likely to die of cancer, bloat or any number of things than a hernia. Most close up on their own and if they don't they can be surgically repaired either during a spay or neuter or during a PennHip procedure if it's a breeding dog, or they often don't need to be repaired at all. Like humans, dogs can live healthy, happy lives with hernias and even have babies. Most serious and knowledgeable breeders and veterinarians don't think they are anything to be concerned about, even in breeding dogs. In fact, you can even show dogs with hernias. There are a few people who still believe that hernias are "very dangerous" but there are people who believe "aliens are real", too. It takes all kinds these days.

Knowing this, and respecting this, Marcella's owner told everyone that was supposed to buy one of Marcella's puppies to DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH on hernias, and gave everyone a choice between a puppy with a hernia, or a puppy without one. If there weren't enough puppies without hernias in the gender they wanted she let them choose a puppy from the next litter. Some chose to wait for the next litter, some chose a puppy without a hernia from Marcella's litter, and some chose a puppy WITH a hernia from Marcella's litter.

One lucky man was given FIVE puppies to choose from, a puppy from Marcella's litter that didn't have a hernia, a puppy from Marcella's litter who did have a hernia but who was a beautiful, sweet puppy, just like Cinderella, and FOUR puppies from the younger litter. The puppy with the hernia was the breeder's favorite puppy and the "fairest of all". She wanted to keep that puppy for herself but wanted the man to have all the choices so she included her favorite puppy in the lot of puppies. He chose the breeder's favorite, the puppy with the hernia, and named her Abby. 

All the puppies went to their new homes and everyone was happy with their puppies EXCEPT Abby's owner. The man who had been given the most puppies to choose from soon decided he had been sold a "defective" puppy. It's not clear what new "research" he came across that he hadn't come across when he did his research the first time, when Marcella's owner told him "do your own research", but he must have found a lot of really compelling, scientific studies. Or maybe a witch or a bunch of wicked fairies whispered nasty things in his ear or put him under a spell. It's hard to say. 

But, unfortunately, he decided that "he had been robbed". He decided that his "hopes of breeding his own puppies were dashed" because of Abby's hernia. Never mind the fact that Marcella's owner hadn't given him permission to breed Abby. Now this could possibly have been worked out somehow, if only he had come to Marcella's owner and discussed matters with her. If only he had talked to her she would have reminded him about what she had told him about how the puppies got the hernias in the first place, and that it was not a "big deal" anyway. But sadly, he did not. Instead he decided to start a war against Abby's breeder, and even when she tried to remind him of the previous discussion about the hernias he wouldn't listen. All he did was demand money, because he felt "he had been robbed". Again, I think maybe witches or evil fairies had him under their spell, but I can't be sure. 

So Abby's owner continued to make "mean videos" about Abby's breeder and eventually he became so upset that he did a really sad thing. He spayed Abby, so she could never have puppies. The beautiful dog that Abby's breeder had originally planned to keep for herself will never have puppies. Which is too bad, because if Abby's owner had come to her breeder they probably could have worked something out. Maybe he could have even found a new prince for Abby to marry and have puppies. But Abby, whose hernia wasn't even "genetic" or a "big deal" to begin with, and in fact, who doesn't even have a hernia anymore, since it was repaired 2 months ago, will never have puppies. And Abby's owner's dreams of breeding dogs truly have been dashed, by his own hand. 

And, as if that weren't bad enough, all the people in the kingdom realized that the Emperor has no clothes. The End.
Wolfsong
8/2/2022 09:17:53 am

It isn't such a big deal that Abby got spayed. Not all dogs NEED to have puppies. She has a happy, healthy life and she'll never even miss having babies. Dogs aren't breeding machines.

P
8/2/2022 10:24:02 am

Agree, spaying her was the best possible choice. The most ethical decision possible and helped prevent a potential "oopsie" litter with his other dog.

PinkPoodle
8/2/2022 03:18:40 pm

Yeah. The part of this post that says “ The beautiful dog that Abby's breeder had originally planned to keep for herself will never have puppies. Which is too bad…” They act like they were forced to sell beautiful Abby girl, but if the owner wanted to keep Abby that bad, there were other dogs in the litter. The breeder themselves said that Abby had the perfect temperament. Also they seem like they wanted Abby back so that she could be used to breed and get more dogs because of this sentence, “because if Abby's owner had come to her breeder they probably could have worked something out. Maybe he could have even found a new prince for Abby to marry and have puppies.” Like, is that all these people have in mind, just breeding? Not all dogs need to breed! A good breeder should know this so that the dogs that are breed produce healthy offspring. A good breeder doesn’t just all the dogs just because they physically can, there are decisions to make, health screenings, genetic screenings to ensure the dog is healthy. But, this writer of this post claims “Abby, whose hernia wasn't even "genetic" or a "big deal" to begin with”, like… if it wasn’t genetic what was it? If it wasn’t a big deal why do you think that dogs with genetic issues such as hernias are not breed. Why do you think Abby was spayed. It was not to prevent her from ever having puppies again because “she’s a failure”, it’s for the health of her potential offspring who would potentially have genetic issues too. It seems like this breeder doesn’t care tough. Seems like they aren’t as good of breeders as they claim. Also just because Abby doesn’t have the “hernia anymore, since it was repaired 2 months ago” doesn’t mean that it will prevent her from passing it down to her puppies, that’s not how it works. Just because she had surgery to fix it doesn’t mean she’s a machine that ready to breed now. Also just because she has a genetic issue doesn’t mean she’s a failure of a dog or she didn’t fulfill her purpose. She will still be a great dog whom is very loving and affectionate. She doesn’t need to breed to live a happy and fulfilling life. Seems like that is a big concern for the poster of this blog post that she can’t breed anymore. Shows that they’re willing to breed any dog.

Grace
8/2/2022 04:02:59 pm

Abby owner was going to breed Abby with his other meremma. He chose Abby because of a different bloodline.

Sherry Barragan
8/4/2022 03:10:15 pm

You have beautiful dogs. Maybe just let this guy be and do nt let his opinion bother you. Breeding can be a tricky business. No one knows abead of time what a litter will bring.

A
8/2/2022 10:33:28 am

This sounds like negligence to me. A breeder should know how to take care of his dogs.

Curious
8/2/2022 10:45:49 am

Your post makes no sense.

"Never mind the fact that Marcella's owner hadn't given him permission to breed Abby."

"eventually he became so upset that he did a really sad thing. He spayed Abby, so she could never have puppies."

So which is it? Did he have your permission to breed her or not because if he didn't, Abby being spayed should have been part of the purchase contract and therefore not a "really sad thing". If it wasn't, then you clearly sold her as a breeding dog. Makes me genuinely question buying from a breeder who is going to flip flop on what "permissions" you're giving people who purchase these dogs

LOL
8/2/2022 02:32:27 pm

This right here! I believe the breeder feels attacked (considering they haven't gotten this much attention), so she is throwing claims and ideas just to defend herself.

Grace
8/2/2022 04:04:04 pm

Yes exactly

Ripley
8/2/2022 10:55:10 am

Hernias aren't always dangerous in and of themselves for puppies and dogs but if it's a female dog and she's pregnant YES it is dangerous! And it's his right to get his dog fixed if she wants, in fact between her having a hernia and him having an intact male dog around it was the RESPONSIBLE thing to do, not 'sad'. And dogs don't need to breed, they're not 'sad' if they never have puppies.

Naomi
8/2/2022 11:01:11 am

Lady you are obsessed... And possibly deranged. You should probably edit out the contradictions in your posts or pay someone to review your blog before you publish. I wouldn't trust someone who spends more of her time trying to fight people on the internet than taking care of her dogs.

Jen
8/2/2022 11:19:04 am

I wholly agree. If she got wind that her dog has puppies that could have genetic defects, she needs to stop breeding that dog ASAP .. if she cares like she says she does, though she seems more interested in saving her name than the breed. I got a Corgi who was "defective" for his breed (he's a fluffy despite he's AKC) which means I can't breed him, or show him, but he's still worth every penny to me as my pet (which was why I bought him in the first place) but I did let the breeder know he was a fluffy and we had a great conversation about it and I told her, if I were to purchase I'd do it again as I absolutely love him, and I'd buy from her again, too. But she was responsible in her care and having them seen by the vet when they needed - I don't think this woman does if she's so quick to poo poo a possible defect in her dogs. But who knows. It's her problem I suppose.

Questions
8/2/2022 11:02:38 am

So you say he wasn't giving breeding permission....yet didn't have him sign an agreement on that or on the fact he wouldn't breed her. Even crappy breeders take those measures. Breeders don't want there blood lines out there unless by them, so they have owners sign a no breeding clause and an agreement they will spay. Breeding right usually mean the dog coast more money.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:32:09 am

Of course he signed the contract. That’s why he spayed Abby. Because he knew if he accidentally had a litter because his and “anti-breeding harness” didn’t work that I could have sued him.

Mare
8/2/2022 11:03:43 am

It’s like whoever wrote this article has never watched any of Abby’s owners videos and seen how much he loves her and cares about her well-being. They just saw some thumbnails and got all up in arms. Having Abby spayed was the best option to prevent the umbilical hernia from being passed on to future litters of puppies. It’s a shame that the breeder would have kept and bred Abby despite knowing this. Doesn’t seem like ethical breeding practices to me.

Lilly
8/2/2022 04:41:10 pm

Probably just saw the thumbnail and went off that. I actually considered a puppy from this breeder but not anymore, you lady aren't a good breeder.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:32:31 am

My puppies are not for everybody.

Luna
8/2/2022 11:22:45 am

> see a guy who buys your dog has 600k+ subscribers
> get bored and decide that you should start drama for no reason because he "criticized the puppy"
> take it personally because you're unstable

don't you have like... dogs and a farm to take care of? Where do you find the time to start random drama? Is your life actually that miserable?

F
8/2/2022 02:11:52 pm

As a breeder, it is your responsibility to look in to who is adopting your dogs. Had you looked into Abby's owner, you would have seen that he had a YouTube channel. Leading up to getting Abby, he spoke about his intentions for this new puppy. His intentions were to have another livestock guardian dog and potentially breed her with his current dog. He never hid his intention to breed Abby. So why would you sell him a puppy if you didn't want him to breed the puppy? Why wouldn't you make him sign a contract that stated he was not allowed to breed Abby? This whole post just seems extremely negligent on your part. If he did not have permission to breed her, but stated several times in his videos that he would, why would you sell him a puppy? If he didn't have permission to breed her, then he did what you wanted anyway, so I'm not sure why you said it was, "sad." Not sure what your intentions were in writing this, but I think you missed the mark.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:33:54 am

Of course I knew he had a YouTube channel and a TikTok channel and an Instagram channel. He told me about them the very first time he emailed me. And when I watch them that’s what made me decide to sell him a puppy. The only problem was I didn’t watch enough of the videos. If I had watched some of them I definitely would not have sent him a puppy. And of course he signed the contract. I think I will make a blog post about the contract he signed.

shiloh
8/2/2022 02:34:02 pm

so.. can you provide evidence that licking from mom can cause an umblical hernia? because I can't find any literature that suggests that as a possible cause... it's genetic or caused by "severe trauma" such as dog attacks and/or car strikes... so to my understanding why would pups with these hernias be sold as breeding dogs anyway - if there is even the SLIGHTEST chance that it's genetic. I'm confused about the number of puppies in Abby's litter - is it four (where all had hernias?) or eight. it's listed differently each time...

To me, it seems like these posts are a CYA to try and sweep a potentially big genetic issue under the rug.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:35:21 am

If you’re interested in the issue of hernias as well as training and a lot of other information you should watch this video that I did not make. She explains a lot of stuff really well

https://youtu.be/oTrb0ROWTQ0

Cody
8/2/2022 02:40:54 pm

I like how this breeder tries to pass the blame on others rather than taking the blame herself. Until you take blame your practice is at fault.

lol
8/2/2022 04:45:12 pm

Did anyone else notice in her little bio thing on the side she started breeding dogs at 14?! Who in their right mind allows their 14 year old to breed dogs??! No wonder she has poor practices. Not to mention no quality breeder would let any puppy with this type of hernia breed.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:36:39 am

I suppose it would be better for a 14-year-old to be out doing drugs and having sex? Or maybe some healthy cyber bullying would be a good past time for a 14-year-old?

Kim
8/2/2022 05:41:39 pm

Well the fans really came out today, didn’t they? To answer your questions the puppy could be sold with limited registration papers which could later be changed if the buyer met the requirements to breathe. So a dog that was sold without their permission to breed could later be changed to have breeding rights if the buyer and the dog met the requirements. That is where you see the difference in what I said in the article. Limited registration is not always permanent. However if the buyer never meets the requirements it never would change. So because his male dog is not registered and cannot be registered he would not be able to meet the requirements. Although if he bought a another male dog that was registered it is possible that he could have met the requirements.

As far as the hernias not being genetic I have already explained that. I am not going to explain it again. And I also have stated that a hernia is a very small matter even if it is genetic. So just because people who don’t understand dog breeding have an opinion about hernias or even because some other people who do understand have an opinion that does not mean they are necessarily right. And the fact remains that he had other options of other puppies to choose from and he chose this puppy. And the fact remains that he was told to do his research and he didn’t do his research until he had already on the dog for several months. So that was a failure on his part.

As far as other buyers being offered puppies. Of course they were offered puppies. They were buying livestock guardian dog puppies. The choice was whether they wanted a livestock guardian dog puppy with a hernia or without. A hernia it does not prevent a dog from being a good livestock guardian dog. So I am not sure what your point is there

shelby zikeli
8/2/2022 05:51:41 pm

as a biologist - and for transparency's sake - not a "fan" or even subscriber of GSF, simply someone who is interested in a Maremma LGD - an umbilical hernia is a is NEVER a small deal because it is genetic - it's a huge huge risk for pregnant dogs. That being true is not an opinion, it's scientific fact.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:37:01 am

https://youtu.be/oTrb0ROWTQ0

George
8/3/2022 07:19:27 am

So, you deleted all comments that proved Morgan was right? Interesting. If you want to put things on the internet, you must also realize that others will have an opinion as well. Good or bad, you chose to have people comment. You decided to put it out there.

Kim
8/3/2022 08:24:06 am


No I deleted all the comments that were obnoxious and rude. Or pointless and stupid. Or asking the same things I had already answered. And none of them approved anything that he said it was right. Absolutely none. I have a right to not read or reply to anything I want. And I have to do some thing with the comments so if I choose to delete them that is my business. He’s over there blocking his own viewers. What’s the difference? He has been hiding comments from anyone who asked him hard questions so what’s the difference?

Chantalle
8/3/2022 10:57:07 am

I had a comment deleted. I didn't mention anything about whatever YouTube fella this was. I read the blog, watched the video she said was "harassing" her and told her it seemed like she was drumming up drama to drum up business. She didn't like that too much, I guess. I suppose if you're looking for who to believe, you have you answer. This woman seems like a charlatan and only looking to protect her own reputation.

...which doesn't appear to be very good.

I came her looking for a maremma. I will be taking my business elsewhere.

sarah riggs
8/2/2022 05:49:05 pm

I can't find any evidence that naval ill (or joint ill) or anything beyond septic arthritis (which is not the same condition you are referencing) even occurs in dogs. Wouldn't that make spraying against umbilical hernia a moot point - and thus leaving the hernia to be a genetic factor???

Kim
8/5/2022 04:41:37 am

I don’t know of any type of animal where it is not recommended to spray the cords to prevent navel ill. Now what I’ve realized since my “hernia litter” is that Goats probably have a much higher risk of navel ill than puppies. And maybe it’s not even a really big risk in puppies but when you had multiple baby goats who had it in a year you’re going to be a little bit neurotic about making sure that doesn’t happen again. So I realized after the hernia litter that I probably didn’t really need to worry that much about puppies because puppies are born in a whelping box and goats are born in a barn. But whatever, my only concern was making sure my puppies were healthy. Unfortunately it backfired on me and that caused a very mean man to set psychopath to attack me. So yeah, I wish I had not sprayed the cords so many times because my life would probably be a lot better if I hadn’t.

Kylie
8/5/2022 11:59:40 am

But you have been breeding dogs since you were 14..... how did you not know

sm
8/2/2022 06:19:35 pm



The farmer documents all his successes and failures. He doesn't censor himself even when he looks like a jerk.

He loves that dog so much and is working hard with her training. All he said was that she didn't have the temperament he was looking for in a breeding partner, and did the responsible thing by spaying her.

It isn't his fault that he consulted a bunch more experts besides you and learned what is most likely the truth about you. That you fudged the truth, and you fudged it to the wrong guy.

AnnabellEevee
8/3/2022 10:00:31 am

To the one who brought the beloved Abby into this world, Please read this whole thing. It may seem out of order at times and may have some spelling and grammar mistakes so bear with me its not rude im truly trying to help you. The farmers main point of spaying Abby was because she had a different temperament that wasn't what he was looking for. Abby more of a hearding dog, not a poultry guardian. And he never said she's a bad dog or a disappointment, he loves Abby and cares for her deeply. Im an animal lover i would never support someone who hurts their animal in anyway. You say Abby was your favorite so why sell her. It was your choice to sell the dog if she was your favorite you should have said she's not for sale. That you plan to keep her.  He's never been mean he's stating his honest thoughts and opinions. And what he learned from his research as you instructed him. And he's going by what he has seen and learned.  You said that she was raise around poultry yet Abby has chased and killed birds. It's always better to admit your faults then lay on more lies. People screw up. I know I do. You admit with the hernia thing that it was a accidental but then you lay on the sob story about saying she's your favorite and say the hernia is no big deal. Sometimes hernias are not but they can be to so dont just brush it off. People are just concernedfor the dogs health. People are more likely to sympathize with you if you admit your faults. Because it proves you want to better yourselves and want whats best for your dogs. Making thimgs up about what the farmer said makes you seem cold, and an unlikable person and people are less likely to ever get a dog from you ever again. Were human we screw up. Just admit you could have handle the situation better.  And if you haven't watch his latest video. Please take these words to heart and I hope you and all your fur babys have a great rest of your day

Kim
8/3/2022 10:24:20 am

I approved your comments because you are being polite and I do believe you’re trying to help. However you are misinformed about some things. First of all I am not lying at all about him not one bit. He is the liar. Second of all all livestock guardian dog puppies can make mistakes with livestock, particularly poultry. It is a very commonly known fact that most livestock guardian dogs cannot be trusted until they are at least two years old. There are some very rare exception of extremely mature dogs that can be trusted at an earlier age such as Toby. But most can’t. Abby is a normal puppy. The fact that she killed chickens does not mean she is a failure. It does not mean she won’t be a good livestock guardian dog. Abby has an excellent temperament. There is nothing wrong with her temperament. She is being miss handled and she has a person who does not know how to train dogs handling her. Or maybe I could just say he doesn’t know how to train that dog. He did a good job with Toby but Abby is not Toby. And it is not fair to compare her to Toby. That is like comparing one child to another. And if something works on one child that does not necessarily mean it won’t work on the other. Does that mean there’s something wrong with the child it doesn’t work on? No it does not. Yes Abby absolutely was my favorite puppy from that litter. And yes I did want to keep her. But yes I can sell a puppy that I would like to keep if I want to. I also breed dairy goats and sometimes I sell a goat that I want to keep. Because I decide that for whatever reason it’s the right thing to do. In this case I truly from the bottom of my heart wanted him to be happy. I wanted him to have the choice. I did a very generous thing and this man and his psychotic followers (not you) are baking my life a living hell for it. I don’t understand how anyone can look up to a man who bullies people for a living. That’s what he does. His job is to bully people. Yeah he sells a few videos about chickens and geese and whatever in between. But we all know where he makes his real money is the videos where he picks a fight with somebody. He is a cyber bully. People commit suicide over being cyber bullying and you people are supporting this man. This is evil. This is evil. This is pure evil. I have filled in hundreds hundreds of comments since his last video came out. He purposely said his psychotic fans here to attack me. All day long since yesterday people have been calling me names attacking me I’ve been called a cow I’ve been said fuck you I’ve been called every name you can imagine. Everything you can imagine is been said to me. By people who have never met me people who have never gone to my farm. People have gone on Google and giving me bad reviews they never bought an animal from me. I don’t understand who could follow this man if they are a good moral person. If you are a psychopath I can absolutely understand why you would follow him but he is harming people. Other people he has attacked some of his fans and gave death threats to those people. I’m pretty sure his fans have tried to give death threats to me but I don’t answer my phone ever unless I know who it is so good luck with that. I’m sorry you’re getting a rant. You can call him innocent and you can call him sweet and you can call him a wonderful YouTuber. He is not. He is a bully. If you don’t want to believe what I said about Abby or agree with me about any of that that’s fine but the truth is he is a bully. He is a bully. He is a bully. He is a bully. When he’s done with me he will find another victim. I truly pity the next victim that he finds. I’m sorry I didn’t mean to go off of you. I appreciate your comments. I love my dogs and I love what I do and I love my customers and I truly wanted only the best for this man. Everything I did was to try to make him have a wonderful experience with my puppy and he he destroyed it. He’s he stole something so special and he abused me. He may not be abusing her but he is definitely abusing me. So whatever. If he’s your God worship at his feet. I won’t

John
8/4/2022 04:55:35 am

You were the one who started it.

Kim
8/3/2022 10:25:28 am

Do you seriously think he’s never mean? Oh my gosh. He’s a cyber bully. He is the worst kind of mean. Do you know why? Because cyber bullies are cowards. They don’t bully people in person. They’re safely hidden behind their keyboard. The worst kind of coward and bully there ever could be. That’s who you look up to.

Kim
8/3/2022 10:32:38 am

I definitely could’ve handled the situation better. I should never have sold him a puppy. Never in 1 million years. I have never once in my life regretted selling a puppy to anyone before but I deeply regret selling this puppy to him.

And I definitely always admit my faults. But I did nothing wrong here. I did not say hernias are nothing. I said hernias are a complicated issue and every person has to decide for themselves.

And you claim that I am not taking responsibility for my own actions but that is exactly what he’s doing. I have shown all the proof in the world that he was given all the information he was offered, for me to buy the dog back, his male was not registered, all the stuff and he goes on his own videos and he says “oh yeah I did this oh yeah I didn’t do that” but then he’s always got an excuse. he always has an excuse.

I mean he knows that what I say is true and he can’t hide it because I’m putting all the evidence out there so he just tries to make light of it.

I saw the video he made yesterday. it was the worst video I’ve ever seen in my life. And he claimed he was clearing things up or spilling tea or whatever the heck he even was talking about. He didn’t clear anything up. Not one bit. That was a call to action. That is all that was. He sent his hordes to attack me. He sent his flying monkeys to attack me.

That was not about clearing anything up, he did not prove anything, go read my other blog post.

Toby is not registered he never will be registered. he’s not working on it, the MSCA is not talking to him. they’re not working with him, not at all. He’s lying. he is lying. I know the board members of the MSCA. they are not helping him get his dog registered. he already tried that in March. he couldn’t do it because the dog is not eligible to be registered. He is lying and you people are buying it. He is using you to make money. So if you wanna continue being a sucker go right ahead

Luna
8/3/2022 04:00:51 pm

Can you show documented evidence that MSCA aren't talking to him or considering his male?

Can you name the "board member" how "leaked" (Told you about not trusting him and that they aren't working with me).

For all I know as a concerned bystander you could possibly by lying about the whole thing or he is about trying to get his male registered. I have no clue how the process works or the legality of them disclosing his personal information or his dogs information to you.

If you can then I am more inclined to say you are right but it's just he said she said right now.

Amy
8/3/2022 05:48:04 pm

Wow...I came here to hear both sides and keep an open mind but after reading your replies I am shocked and appalled that this is how a "professional" acts. Your rants contain so much vitriol and exaggerations that it just reflects badly on you and your business. I know a lot of this drama is "he said, she said" but even if the farmer made mistakes at least he owns up to them and doesn't act like he's a saint (unlike you). I did see some comments that are only being polite towards you and trying to help. So I truly hope that you take a break from the internet or see a therapist and reflect on your words and your actions. They say that those who are rude to others are the ones who need the most self-compassion and I just hope you find that someday. Otherwise continuing to rant and rave about one of your customers is just really really bad for your business. Take care.

Kim Sucks
8/3/2022 10:10:31 am

Morgan is Right
You know he talked good about you and you knew you were doing wrong. Until we and him all know what you did. Don’t try to play the victim you cow
And stop deleting the comments
Morgan doesn’t

Kim
8/3/2022 10:17:52 pm

If you kind of people will go to this lady‘s YouTube video and watch it and then go look in the comments you will see a comment from the former vice president of the Maremma Sheepdog Club of America where he weighs in on this very subject of Kobe‘s registration. He will tell you exactly what his conversation with Morgan about the registration status of his dog was a couple of months ago. At that time Morgan told him that he had a registered dog. Now today he is telling people that Toby is not registered. I have only seen two dogs on his farm and Abby does not have her registration papers yet so which one is the truth?

And I have an email somewhere that confirms this but I probably would get in trouble for posting it.

https://youtu.be/oTrb0ROWTQ0

Brunhilda
8/4/2022 05:17:52 am

Calling commenters who have done nothing wrong "you kind of people" doesn't look very professional.

Joseph Greenleaf's comment (quoted below) doesn't answer Luna's questions, so why tell us to look there?

"As the former Vice President and Corporate Counsel for the Maremma Sheepdog Club of America, Inc., the official registrant for Maremmas in the United States and Canada, I would not buy from her if she were not completely above-board.
As for the gentleman who owns Gold Shaw Farm, Mr. Gold, I do not know him, have never spoken with him, but we have exchanged emails. In one of them, he told me, “I have a registered dog.” In his video, he said his dog, Toby, was NOT registered. Abby is not registered, as the breeder has not provided Mr. Gold with Abby’s registration documents, for contractual reasons."

When Morgan at first told Mr. Greenleaf that Toby is registered don't you think it's possible that a newbie owner he meant that Toby was registrable and used the wrong word? I'll bet that's something dog breeders see happen all the time.

You've made the assertion several times that Toby can't be registered, is I will ask Luna's questions again; Can you show us documented evidence that MSCA aren't talking to him or considering Toby?

Can you name the board member who gave you that information?

Kim
8/5/2022 04:47:58 am

You kind of people was a typo. I also called the dog KOBE. I received about 975 comments and messages and whatever else that day. And I got absolutely no sleep for about 36 hours. And by the time I was typing out replies hi Wise not really worrying about editing my typos.

As far as Luna’s question I have already answered it but I will answer it again. No I cannot give any evidence because I still may be suing someone. But that someone is not Morgan.

And I don’t know what he meant by his comment to Joe. But I just know that Toby is not registered and that I have been told he is not able to be registered. I will probably make a blog post about that issue. As well as some of the other legitimate questions that people have. I appreciate legitimate but then I will be happy to answer them when I can. But the people who send me nice messages to tell me I’m scam and all that other fun stuff I’ll just ignore you and leave you here so everyone can see what Morgan encourages.

Brunhilda
8/5/2022 11:13:23 am

"You kind of people was a typo."

Oh, okay. No prob. I've made a few of those now and then. :-)

"As far as Luna’s question I have already answered it but I will answer it again. No I cannot give any evidence because I still may be suing someone. But that someone is not Morgan."

All right. Fair enough. And I'm glad to hear it's not Morgan.

"And I don’t know what he meant by his comment to Joe. But I just know that Toby is not registered and that I have been told he is not able to be registered. I will probably make a blog post about that issue. As well as some of the other legitimate questions that people have. I appreciate legitimate but then I will be happy to answer them when I can."

I am looking forward to your post.

"But the people who send me nice messages to tell me I’m scam and all that other fun stuff I’ll just ignore you and leave you here..."

Whoa! Stop!

"...so everyone can see what Morgan encourages."

Truly, he's not like that. Those are trolls. Morgan's channel is very tame and doesn't naturally attract people like that, but there are always a few here and there.

You asked elsewhere if Morgan had shown your blog's web address (or something like that) on screen to send people here. I never saw anything like that and I've only missed one video that got pulled recently. But I doubt that happened because it would be so out of character for him. Plus, there would be no need to because your blog is so easy to find.

By the way, I feel that he was wrong to even mention the words puppy mill. That was uncalled for.

Kim
8/5/2022 04:42:46 am

To Luna no I cannot give you the answers to your questions because it may involve a lawsuit that I may be bringing against some people and I cannot get away that information. And by the way it is not a lawsuit against Morgan.

Tiffany Brown
8/5/2022 01:03:13 pm

Im confused. If he purchased Abby, then why would he need your permission to breed her. Once the transaction has been done you dont have rights as to what happens to the dog after, or is that wrong? If I go get a dog today from a breeder, I dont need their permission to breed my dog, because once I have given them the money its MY DOG. If you wanted Abby and didnt want to give her away, then you shouldnt have offered her up.

Tiffany Brown
8/5/2022 01:11:24 pm

Just saw the comment I missed about needing breeders permission to breed the puppy. Sorry about that part. Still though if you didnt want to give her up then why did you. You cant be mad that he spayed her, when you didnt want her breeded. I also saw the comment about her having a hernia and you wanting to breed her anyways. Thats unethical and immoral. Why risk the dogs life like that. Seems selfish to me.

Kim
8/5/2022 07:00:19 pm

I would give you a longer comment but since you called me unethical and immoral I’ll just give you the short answer. It’s called self sacrifice. It’s called putting others ahead of yourself. It’s called having something you want but you feel like it would be the better thing to do to give it to another person. That’s why I let him take the puppy that I wanted to keep. I wanted to offer the puppy to him because I wanted him to have the best choice.

Kim
8/5/2022 06:58:35 pm

Because all ethical breeders have contracts and they put things like no-breeding clauses in them to protect their bloodline and the breed. If you buy puppies from someone who doesn’t care what happens to them of course you can breed it but if you buy puppies from someone who does care and they put a clause saying you can’t breed the dog then yes you could probably let the dog have puppies but first of all, you won’t be able to register the puppies, and second of all you, could face being sued. So if you buy from a backyard breeder you probably will be able to breed the dog with no problems, but if you buy from an ethical Breeder most of them will not allow you to breed without permission. It’s not about what you can physically do it’s about what you can legally do. So if you buy a puppy on a non-breeding contract then you can physically breed the dog but you are violating the contract you signed and you could be sued.


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